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short and sweet Bill Starr training article
« on: January 06, 2009, 11:42:42 am »

with pictures of Bill Starr.

http://stronglifts.com/bill-starrs-strength-training-program-the-big-three/
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2009, 12:25:24 pm »


Simple and effective.
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Re: short and sweet Bill Starr training article
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2009, 02:42:38 pm »

I followed many of Bills strength programs. I played college football at Towson State in Maryland early to mid 1970's- when Bill was the strength and conditioning coach for the Baltimore Colts (before they left town for Indy).

The Colts used the athletic facilities at Towson for their training. He would be there in the afternoons with the team--various positions would there on different days of the week with him.. As a scholarship athlete at the university we were allowed to train along.

I entered college as a 190 lb freshman ( I had already been working out since jr. high) and graduated a few years later weighing  220. No drugs, no supplements other than Hoffman's pasty powders and Energol, but a lot of milk, burgers, eggs and steaks.

Bills programs were straight forward, to the point and no nonsense. No silly names such as dogcrap, warrior, matrix, muscle confusion--you picked the weight up and put it back down--no rocket science. (if I am not mistaken Dave Draper also said the same thing--pick it up and put it down, it's not rocket science).

Bills influence was one of the reasons I also went on to be come a strength coach (univ. of Florida early to mid 1980's).

Call me old and outdated, but there is nothing new under the sun. You pick it up and you put it down. next time add a few more reps and some more weight to the bar. Stick to the basics, and don't try and over complicate matters.

Bills writings withstand the test of time. Follow his routines and you will grow bigger and stronger. I guarantee!
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Re: short and sweet Bill Starr training article
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2009, 06:15:40 pm »

Dr. to Doc,

Could not agree with you more. Bill's training was simple and effective and to the point.

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Re: short and sweet Bill Starr training article
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2009, 04:50:58 am »

the 5*5 three time a week sounds very effective
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2009, 04:50:22 pm »

I'd vote out the bench press. Doesn't do much for overall strength. If you did a thermogram after the clean and press your whole body musculature would be lighting up. Do a thermogram after the bench and your pecs and tri's will light up, with minor anterior delts.

Take the power clean of Starr's and convert it from a floor to shoulders lift, to a floor to overhead lift. By skipping the press, which is the second and very important part of the clean and press, you kill half the exercise.

They say the king of the exercises are squats, yet I say it is the queen....and that clean and presses are the king for overall body strength, cardio, grip, ruggedness, etc.
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Re: short and sweet Bill Starr training article
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2009, 05:41:31 am »

If more people did repetition clean and presses, barbell rows and full squats, you could throw away every piece of cardio equipment away, obesity would be a thing of the past...and gym memberships to a 'real gym' would be down to $15 months.  It doesn't get any simpler than that.
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2009, 12:04:57 pm »

If more people did repetition clean and presses, barbell rows and full squats, you could throw away every piece of cardio equipment away, obesity would be a thing of the past...and gym memberships to a 'real gym' would be down to $15 months.  It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Absolutely. No question. But trainees want seventy five different machines to work their delts rather than getting the whole body, cardio, the whole shebang, with the c and p.

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Re: short and sweet Bill Starr training article
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2009, 10:54:51 pm »

If more people did repetition clean and presses, barbell rows and full squats, you could throw away every piece of cardio equipment away, obesity would be a thing of the past...and gym memberships to a 'real gym' would be down to $15 months.  It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Amen to that!!! LOL!!!

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Re: short and sweet Bill Starr training article
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2009, 05:30:00 am »

This thread makes the most sense to me out of any training one I have read...Doc is right...pick it up & put it down, do it again.... period.
I remember back when doing a Muscle & Fitness article about my leg training (1985 I think??) they insisted I must do more than I did for legs.
I don't have the article any more (lost through the years with a lot of my stuff) but I think they made me do hack squats, which I never trained, just to have more to shoot.
Squats, lunges, extensions & curls...all I ever did.
More than Bill's but basic all the same.
I suppose it's hard to market that sort of training to the masses...they always need the "next & newest way".
That's what I love about IA...truly taking it back to the basics...
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Re: short and sweet Bill Starr training article
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2009, 11:50:22 pm »

This thread makes the most sense to me out of any training one I have read...Doc is right...pick it up & put it down, do it again.... period.
I remember back when doing a Muscle & Fitness article about my leg training (1985 I think??) they insisted I must do more than I did for legs.
I don't have the article any more (lost through the years with a lot of my stuff) but I think they made me do hack squats, which I never trained, just to have more to shoot.
Squats, lunges, extensions & curls...all I ever did.
More than Bill's but basic all the same.
I suppose it's hard to market that sort of training to the masses...they always need the "next & newest way".
That's what I love about IA...truly taking it back to the basics...

I have that magazine and article in mint condition.  Now I just have to dig it out of the box of magazines that I packe up and scan them then post it since I finally have a scanner.  It was something seeing you barefoot doing squats and good mornings.  If I remember correctly you did 8 sets with the highest weight being 375 for 8 reps at 20 years old.  I have to remember to get it....
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Re: short and sweet Bill Starr training article
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2009, 04:22:19 am »

I was never good at keeping a lot of that stuff Cris.
I never worked out barefoot, I showed up to the photo shoot having forgotten my shoes! That was shot at Gold's gym in Venice.
It was back in the day of the "weider principles" & people having to basically kiss butt by quoting this/giving credit to Joe for what amounts to discovering the entire sport...this brings us back to the topic on this thread...basic, basic movement for training...nothing fancy is required (IMO)...well, except for shoes  Tongue
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