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Re: Ask Deanna
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2007, 02:27:13 pm »

Very Funny Mark, you guys know what I mean...
it's just that we used to have that awe-inspiring look (it is hard for me to write that because I don't want it to sound egotistical).
I have seen the reaction in person of today's bodybuilders & it is not that same.
I noticed after I wrote my reply, Serge Nubret's quote about bodybuilding come across the top of the forum... it was about bodybuilding being sculture & art. As someone who studied fine arts, I can tell you, no artist would have come up with today's bodybuilder unless it was abstract...
I stand by what I said in an earlier answer that a body's frame can accommadate only so much muscle before it is too much & not aesthetic.
Women generally have smaller frames than men ... okay, I kind of have theĀ  frame of a small bungalo but I am trying to say that women are usually smaller in bone circumference, etc. regardless of height.
Add in there that nature (hormonally) does not allow for rediculously massive muscle development. Of course genetics comes to play, but it does in any sport & some are suited to building muscle more than others.
I am sorry, I am not sure I am answering anything with this. I have thought about it since answering this morning & it is just sad where the sport has gone... I loved the sport & performance of it when i did it & I truly hope it can find it's way back...
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« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2007, 09:24:48 pm »

Thank you for answering, Deanna. You made a lot of sense to me.!
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« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2007, 08:07:49 pm »

Deanna,

You really should have a web page. Pictures of you are very hard to find. Here are a couple I really like. Hope you don't mind.

Thanks,
Roy


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« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2007, 08:16:33 pm »

Deanna,

These pics are just amazing ..... nuff said.

Thanks again,

Roy



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« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2007, 08:18:55 pm »

one more for the road Smiley


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« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2007, 04:46:47 pm »

Hey Roy,
I am not sure where you guys dig some of these up!
Actually the one in the purple suit, twisting double biceps, is one of my favourites too. I have another on my other pc so I will try to post it sometime soon. I much prefer ones that don't really show my face... I prefer to be anonymous & just see the picture as a physique.
Thank you for the compliments, the good memory  & the photos.
Deanna
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Re: Ask Deanna
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2007, 04:19:11 pm »

What type of training did you do for bodybuilding?
High volume, moderate hit ect?
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« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2007, 10:51:52 am »

 Stevce,
My apologies for my delay here... been away & am now swamped with a work project for a day or 2.
I will answer you asap... now I have to remember that far back!!
regards,
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« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2007, 02:10:11 pm »

Thanks Deanna appreciate it.
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« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2007, 05:08:13 am »

Hi Stevce,
Well let's start at the basic principles I went by...
-I did incredibly intense workouts (still prefer that kind) that had little rest between sets
-complete full range of motion even if it means less poundage
-hitting all muscle groups from all angles & finding somewhat different methods to get deep into the muscles for as complete as development as I could get

I found very early on that my body could take a level of intensity & workload that surprised me. It was fairly easy to get used to training thru the pain barrier to a place/intensity that could allow for fast development for me. Yes, it also helps that I had genetics that give me quick pains but I needed to training to give me quality over quantity for muscle development.

I see a lot of lifters in the gym doing these partial movements... & I don't mean to hit a muscle group hard with strict form partial reps... I mean cheating on the rep. This allows for an impressive poundage but really only works part of the muscle. I would stretch the muscle at the bottom end of the exercise & squeeze it thru the rep getting my mind into the muscle. I could get truly amazing results from this one principle instead of trying to impress the person at the next bench with a higher weight. I believe it also gives you a better appearance to the muscle as it is "complete" in it's training.

That said... I generally stuck with this kind of layout:

-6 days/week
-each BP hit twice except abs which was everyday or every second day in off season
-changing around the exercises each workout
-using a lot of 21's for surprising bodyparts like hamstrings as well as biceps
-drop sets
-abs at the beginning to help warm up for about 30 mins (also to avoid just not doing them at the end of the workout when tired!)

-back/biceps/low back/hamstrings/ calves (if training them then)
-chest/shoulder/triceps
-quads/sometimes a little extra hamstring to get the blood into them to loosen them up (just light movements)
-day off
-repeat

I liked the pairings because when doing back, if doing bent over work (a must in my mind) then you have already started working the hams so why not continue? Also, I feel that you look at the back as a complete picture so why not training it together? I felt it made the muscels visually "flow" together when posed... this may be a falacy but it was what I pictured when training.

I also added more innovative (for lack of a better term) movements to really hit the muscles in some different ways to try to attain the stretch at the bottom of the movement to allow the squeeze up of the muscle (& I did visualize it as a squeeze & not a press or push) really worked the individual muscle fibres thru the entire range of motion.

That's the outline & basic principles. If you wanted a sample run thru, I can post it. I just didn't want to run another long, long response & put you to sleep!
I am not really sure what you would categorize it as, if anything, except hard, intense training based on basic/complete movements with some altered movements to really stretch the muscle & get a more intense training of the muscle.

I hope this explains some of it Stevce, if you want any details, I would be happy to post them.

Regards,
Deanna
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Re: Ask Deanna
« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2007, 10:25:21 pm »

Thats fine Deanna thanks for the help.
I only used 21s for biceps i'll give it a go for other body parts.
Cheers!
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« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2007, 11:52:53 am »

I don't think your response's ever put us to sleep Deanna.   Kiss  Keep on posting.
How are the workouts going?   Lips Sealed
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« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2007, 04:11:02 pm »

Thanks Finnegan!
I get a little paranoid about the length of my responses but I hate to leave out some important details.
My workouts are pretty sporadic still. My professional workload with ongoing projects is crazy still so 18 hour days & 4 hours of sleep is still a problem.
That said, I have found that the full body workouts Mark Saranchuk recommended keeps the fitness level increasing even with minimal training days. It is nice to see improvements & I look forward to things calming down for me in the new year &  my workouts can really be attacked.
At 43, I really just like being fit & strong.
I was at the Calgary Skeleton World Cup today & many of my  friends & competitors from around the world commented on me looking healthy & fit... so what more can I ask??
Being happy helps too.
I will let you know when I change up the training. Take care!
Deanna
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« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2008, 09:11:33 pm »

Hi Deanna.  In your Nov. 27th post you said "if you want a sample run thru I could post it."
I'd love to see it. 
P.S. Don't be such a stranger around here.  Your comments are excellent.
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« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2008, 04:05:58 pm »

Hey Finnegan,
Sorry... things have been a little crazy for me lately so I will look up one of my training diaries in the next day or so (so I get it right! my memory is not always great).
Good thing I kept all those training logs.
I have been checking in from time to time & reading... not really posting as my mind has been on work projects & contract negotiations. Still making it to the gym, tho so the return to my "roots" is still on track  Wink
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« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2008, 11:58:19 am »

Excellent!  Thanx.  Good luck!  Tongue
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« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2008, 06:11:40 am »

Hi Finnegan,
Again... apologies for my delay here.
I'll give you a chest/shoulder/tricep workout out of my training book from the 1985 Pro Worlds. I am not sure if these are the details you meant so feel free to let me know.
There is really not much revolutionary here... I always believed in very basic movements but really concentrating on the form & the intensity was insane for the most part. I burned thru a number of training partners over those years (when I actually trained with someone because most of the time, as I do now, I trained alone).
The other interesting thing I had forgotten was the rediculously low calories i was on to lean out. I was getting weekly hydro-static fat tests to make sure I was not losing muscle & entered the '85 Pro Worlds at a bodyfat of 4.8%... no, not Clarence Bass loevels but for a 20 year old girl it was ok. I had been measured in the 3%'s the year before during my amature competing season.
My daily calories were in the 500-700 calories range with 1 1/2hrs - 2hrs on the bike each day to help in fat loss (no "fat burner" supplements in those days & don't know if I would have taken them anyway as. Not much of anything back then really (I hated eggwhites forever after this!) only really bad, chalky protein powder and, Mark Saranchuk's favourite, dessicated liver tablets (yuck).
So it was little food & LOT'S of work & not much else!
Also, this was at a bodyweight of 153lbs, I competed at 148.
Now... on the a basic workout (I would alternate most of the exercises every second workout)
They are listed as:      set/rep/weight (lbs)

chest:

Flat Barbell Bench: (warm up sets first)
1/10/152  -  2/6/176  -  3/1/215  -  4/1/237 (PB that day) - 5/3/215  -  6/7/176
Close Grip Barbell Bench:
1/10/135  -  2/9/135  -  3/9/95  -  4/9/95 (last 2 sets concentrating on squeezing the reps=less weight)
Incline Dumbell Flyes:
1/9/40  -  2/8/40  -  3/8/40  -  4/6/40
Dumbell Pullovers:
1/10/55  -  2/10/55  -  3/8/55  -  4/7/55
Dips superset with widegrip pushups with own weight only:
1/8 & 9  -  2/8 & 8  -  3/7 & 6  -  4/5 & 6

Shoulders:

Machine Side Lateral Raises:
1/12/4plates -  2/9/5pl  -  3/8/5pl  -  4/8/5pl
Machine Rear delts:
1/10/3pl  -  2/8/3pl  -  3/8/3pl  -  4/7/3pl
Giant-Set of Dumb. Front raises/side laterals/bent over rear delt flyes:
1/8each/30lb  -  2/8/30  -  3/8/30  -  4/8/30


Triceps:

lying Barbell Tricep Extension:
1/10/45  -  2/10/45  -  3/10/45  -  4/9/45
Rope/pulley pushdowns:
1/9/40  -  2/9/40  -  3/8/40  -  4/7/40
Reverse Grip Pulley:
1/10/40  -  2/9/40  -  3/9/40  -  4/9/40

Abs/calves done later in the day after 1 1/2hours on the bike


I hope this is some of the info you were talking about Finnegan. As you can see... pretty basic. My notes showed I was dead at the end & kept the intensity really high with short rests between.
Regards,
Deanna
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« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2008, 10:33:48 pm »

Absolutely amazing!  Shocked  I don't know how you did it!?  And those weights are great!  ESPECIALLY on that diet.  Just being conscious is an accomplishment on so little food.
How did you manage to keep on going?
My hat is off to you!  Smiley
As far as what details I'm looking for...  Any and all that you care to share. 
Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to post for us.  Wink
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« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2008, 08:43:29 am »

Thanks Finnegan,
Actually I couldn't really do much on that other than train... after a while I didn't drive alone because I would want to fall asleep at stop lights!
In a sick sort of way... I really liked the challenge, probably more than the actual competitions although the posing round was always one of my favourite things too.
To push yourself to that brink is something most "normal" people NEVER do & that is where they don't really "get" bodybuilders or other elite athletes.
I just always figured that there was someone out there training harder than I was or dieting stricter & I really don't like to be outdone so... I just pushed. And...it's what happens when you cross a Scott & a Viking... stubborn as hell!
As all of us have found out, ounce you realize you won't die from pushing past the pain, it is not as scarey as it is for those who won't go beyond their comfort zone.
I have to say that it prepared me for my Skeleton racing as there were countless days when I didn't want to slide training runs or race or was just plain terrified of a track (especially the one in Germany that gave me such a serious concussion I thought I was going to die! and it took me a year to recover) and had to do it anyhow... just like some dreaded squat workout that I knew was going to hurt terribly.
I will write out some more when I have some time possibly later in the week... kind of interesting to look THAT far back & say..."I did THAT?"   Smiley
Deanna
ps you know... this weekend I was in Canmore (Alberta Canada) to watch the Nordic Ski World Cup races (I am a technical consulatant) & I took my 13 year old son who raced biathalon for 4 years from the time he was 8years old (Nordic skiing & target shooting).
We watched as athletes crossed the line COMPLETELY spent to finish with the best possible time. My son explained that to feeling he really likes with cross country skiing is to push himself so hard that he gets that taste in the back of his throat (he calls it tasting blood, but it's not really) so he has already learned what most people don't ever... that pushing past the brink of pain & the fear that goes with it.
I have to say I am so very proud of what a strong young man & athlete he is turning into & it will be interesting to see where it takes him.
Also... he recently asked me to show him how to lift weights so he can spend his lunch hour in the weightroom at school...  Undecided
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« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2008, 12:27:10 am »

Hi Deanna,
I was wondering what it was like posing for pix for a magazine.  And seeing yourself in there?  Is it cool?  Weird?  Surreal?  Annoying?  Unnerving?  Etc.
Train on.   Undecided Lips Sealed 
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