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Topic: 2 questions maybe someone can answer (Read 1727 times)
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t.j.wes
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Meat,eggs, or tuna is probably a better option at night.............it`s natural,as opposed to being man made or processed.
I always opt for whole food over supplements whenever possible for a few reasons.
Fructose doesn`t restore muscle glycogen,only liver glycogen...................if you didn`t train hard or long enough,you really wouldn`t need it at PW.
I have tried whole food......chicken breasts with brown rice or a baked potato at PW and noticed no difference at all,as opposed to using whey and dextrose.
Did it for a whole year and made decent gains.............the only reasion for the whey dextrose combo is conveinience,so I do use it also,but I think it`s highly overated as the whole food seemed just as good.
I know whey and dxtrose digest faster,thus making it ideal at PW,but I noticed no difference at all.
If everyone paid as much attention to the other 5 meals they ate as they do the PW one,gains would be far better for most.
Just look at the forums.........PW is a big topic on all of them.
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t.j.wes
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In addition,food is thermic, so it takes the body far more calories used in digestion to digest a steak,than it would burn to digest a casein shake which is liquid...............the steak would probably take at least 4 hours to digest..................................I doubt if the casein would take that long.
The fat in the steak would also help to slow digestion as fat digests slower than any other macronutrient.
As I said,I use whey,but only for the conveinience and I usually do not use shakes at all pre-contest,because I want the body to burn more calories during digestion.
You have to create a calorie deficit to lose bodyfat,so every little bit helps..............especially if you would prefer a chicken breast over a whey shake.......................after drinking the shake your starving again but can`t eat for a couple more hours.
I`m not big on too many supplements but some do have their place.............others are all hype!!
At times I think protein companies push the PW shake just to increase sales.......................because as I said,after a year of whole food at PW,I noticed no difference at all.
Just my thoughts,certainly not gospel, and it may not pertain to everyone.
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t.j.wes
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Anyway, I have tried to maintain the can of tuna or whole foods at night, it just irks me when the magazines tout the bedtime meal as a shake. It would be better to use whole foods and threow the shake in througout the day if crunched for time.
Sal
My feelings exactly!!
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ergopharma
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suppliments are exactly that..eat real food its what you take in over 24hrs that counts,as long as you get the right amount of protein,carbs,fats,your body will store them and use them when needed. lets face it your body has evolved through feast and famine for thousands of years it knows how to take care of itself 
It is is feast and famine we are best suited to, are 5-?? evenly spaced out and overthought meals the best way? I mean, when in history has the body had access to that practice, we certainly didn't evolve that way.
I think wer evolved to be fat storage machines, more so the light skinned, colder climate types as opposed to the darker skinned tropical or desert types.
As far as food being thermic, how do we know that it's fat calories being burned in the digestion, and not the calories from that food or some kind of glycogen store or a combination or something I'm too inept to know about?
I think it's telling that DMass is having to do gob loads of cardio to access that fat store before focusing on muscle building. You just can't do both. Bodybuilding doesn't put you at enough of a calorie deficit to access that fat, and to combine the amount of cardio and lack of ffod would be counterproductive to the muscle building process. We evolved to store this stuff with ease and only access it under extreme circumstances for survival, especially if light skinedd and of cold climate heritage. With that being the case, how much fat can the digestion of whole food really be burning, and how can you prove it besides anecdotally?
I think your use and the amounts of supplements vs. whole food has more to do with disposable income(eating a lot of clean, quality food can also add up), what you have a psychological leaning toward and what you have time for.(Prepearing up to 6 whole food meals a day and counting calories, and cycling carbs and this and that can take a hell of a lot of time and effort). I wouldn't knock anyone for what they do either way, unless they try to justify it it in a spurious way.
Just two cents woth.
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t.j.wes
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It is is feast and famine we are best suited to, are 5-?? evenly spaced out and over thought meals the best way? I mean, when in history has the body had access to that practice, we certainly didn't evolve that way.
Actually as grazers/hunters/gatherers, we used to eat closer to this idea in ancient times, than we do these days.
Who invented the 3 squares a day deal,and why is it OK..........blood sugar levels fluctuate and your metabolism runs slower.
We are talking about eating to gain muscle or lose fat,not to look like the slob next door!
I think wer evolved to be fat storage machines, more so the light skinned, colder climate types as opposed to the darker skinned tropical or desert types.
You`re probably correct,but should we be content with that ,or should we try to change things for the better?
As far as food being thermic, how do we know that it's fat calories being burned in the digestion, and not the calories from that food or some kind of glycogen store or a combination or something I'm too inept to know about?
It is so minimal that I highly doubt if it`s burning away anything that you need except calories...you must create a calorie deficit to lose weight/fat.
I never said digestion burned fat,but it does burn calories,albeit a slight amount,but that amount helps if you`ve ever tried to get cut up.
I think it's telling that DMass is having to do gob loads of cardio to access that fat store before focusing on muscle building. You just can't do both. Bodybuilding doesn't put you at enough of a calorie deficit to access that fat, and to combine the amount of cardio and lack of food would be counterproductive to the muscle building process. We evolved to store this stuff with ease and only access it under extreme circumstances for survival, especially if light skinned and of cold climate heritage. With that being the case, how much fat can the digestion of whole food really be burning, and how can you prove it besides anecdotally?
Again,I never said digestion burns fat.
In Dave`s case,he was not in good shape when he started back.....of course he put on some bodyfat,and diet and cardio is the no brainer answer to rectifying his situation.....been done by every bodybuilder for decades now.
You can lose bodyfat and build muscle without the scale changing one bit.it`s called changing your body composition.....takes a while but has been done by tons of bodybuilders and people in general trying to get in shape.
Because you do cardio with less calories certainly doesn`t mean you have to have a lack of food.....just means food choices should be smarter.
I think your use and the amounts of supplements vs. whole food has more to do with disposable income(eating a lot of clean, quality food can also add up), what you have a psychological leaning toward and what you have time for.(Preparing up to 6 whole food meals a day and counting calories, and cycling carbs and this and that can take a hell of a lot of time and effort). I wouldn't knock anyone for what they do either way, unless they try to justify it it in a spurious way.
I spend a lot less money on good whole food that is clean dieting food ,and much better than any supplement could give you.
I buy 30 dozen eggs at a time (a case) for 69 cents a dozen,tuna by the cae.....also dirt cheap,chicken breasts,more expensive than the other items,but a lot less expensive than junk food most people buy.
You just gotta` wanna` !!
In order to eat 6 times a day,you simply make food in bulk,and freeze or refrigerate it.
Not a big deal at all,once you get used to it,you simply have to want to reach your goals and knowing this will help you do so,you just do it!!
Just two cents worth.
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appstro
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MASS!!!!!!!!!
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LOL! 
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t.j.wes
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Who invented the 3 squares a day deal
Slightly off topic, but it was the Royal Navy who came up with the 'square meals' concept, I believe. Meals were served on square wooden plates because the plates could later be stored in an upright position without rolling everywhere... Each conscript was entitled to three daily meals on these plates, hence 'three square meals a day'.... I'll get my coat...
... and hit the bricks!!!! 
Too funny!! LOL
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t.j.wes
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faz,there are many advantages to eating more frequent meals over three meals per day.
Some are:
1.Better digestion of food
2.Better absorption of food
3.Better assimilation of food
4.Smaller meals eaten more frequently keep blood sugar levels more stable
5.Smaller meals keep the waist smaller as they do not stretch it out as a bigger meal would...........over time this makes a big difference IMO
6.Much easier to get in the required macronutrients at more feedings
Vince Gironda advocated this eating plan and always reffered to people who ate otherwise as getting "digestive overload"......his phrase,but I like it.
Of course you`re not going to eat in your sleep,and you don`t have to be fanatical.......it is not hard to eat this often,and it really isn`t too much of a problem,once you get into the habit............you will be better off for it from a progress point of view.
NO one should train or do cardio on an empty stomach............again,you aren`t going to disapeear, but it`s just not a sound idea if you value your progress.
For me,making gains comes very slow,and I do these things because my competition is doing them............have to keep up,or I will simply fall behind!!
These are just my opinions,not trying to convince anyone or sway them to change their habits......we all train/eat differently,but I think the above scenario is a much better plan,unless your plan is to fail.
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t.j.wes
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Dude,no wonder you`re huge!!
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..why not because your body is cleverer than we give it credit for.
